The February 2017 killings of teens Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, in Delphi has drawn international attention. I I heard the girls say repeatedly, Its Elementary Watson, and 2 plus 2 equals 4. Too many opinions and he cannot control them. Investigators also believed photographs or videos were likely shot of the grotesque set-up to 'memorialize' the crime scene. Urinating is no problem, but what if he had to defecate? Youre not necessarily going to get that so much with a blunt type of weapon, Morgan said. Did he not see BG? The theory is that he was in on these murders for mercenary reasons, such as a malign desire to purchase Ron Logans land. There was a helicopter/drone photoset going around in a FB group in the last few days (dont remember which group). I cant demand that my friends give me money! We now have search party members who saw the crime scene; official case documents; the testimony of Leigh Kerr, a man who claims to have seen official case documents; accurate crime scene photos; and the best LE sources we have ever had. The truth is that some of the things LE said in that conference are true. Big KAK getting hungry and Dad is no longer speaking to him. Ill leave it up to you to believe what you want to believe. We dont do that on here and never have. Its a dead end. The warrant, obtained by the Murder Sheet podcast and released to Indianapolis FOX59, offered no further detail on what the souvenir was, although it did say that 'the rest of [the girls'] clothing was recovered,' implying that the killer had taken something they'd been wearing. Hes a straight man with a wife, but maybe hes wimpy like a lot of straight men are. How do you know that LE has someone they believe is BG? Isnt that logical. Photos of Abby Williams, left, and Libby German, right, at police headquarters in Delphi, Indiana. This Feb. 13, 2017, file photo released by the Indiana State Police shows a man walking along the trail system in Delphi, Ind., authorities say is the suspect in the killings of two teenage girls. July 22, 2017 truthtellersweb. Both investigators were women. Im sure the guy does look at posts and stuff which is creepy as all hell. Admitting his culpability only after lying to law enforcement, whom he first told that the girl shot herself while cleaning her weapon. BG was very well disguised that day with a white scarf covering the lower half of his face. Another reason he stayed is we believe that he enjoyed the drama. If anyone else is involved they know who it is. She has channeled her pain into grief and sadness. Chemicals used in an attempt to hide fingerprints. Those aspects of the crime are the following: We feel that these facts are validated because in 1-3, they were seen by us in the crime scene photos and also by a female search party member at the scene, in 4, they were seen by two separate female search party members who had never talked to each other, and in 5, it was verified by a conversation with the girls guardian herself backed up by a postmortem photo. Crime scene photos leaked? Investigators also claim Allen forced Abby and Libby down the hill to the spot where they were killed, according to the document. Who are you friends with. I read your recent blogs about the Delphi murders, and you have a ton of info. Libbys phone did not record him for 43 seconds. Search warrants obtained by a podcast and a local television station are shedding new . Didnt he at the time live down the street from Logan? Its a very rare occurrence, only 1.3% of the victims is left in an unusual, corrected position. He has pleaded not guilty to the charges. Knives were also found at Allen's home, according to the affidavit. Yes, they did record audio of themselves torturing those girls. Thank you! Lists a factory as place of residence. The two dates - 2/13/2017 & 2/13/2012 are the same in numerology (16): 2+1+3+2+0+1+7 = 16 and 7+1+3/+2+0+1+2 = 16. Important residence periods: Moved to Evansdale, Iowa in 2011-2012 to work at a slaughterhouse possibly aligned with Tyson Foods there. Klines voice, however, has not been ruled out. Lets hope they find some peace. Some connection with Libby via geocaching. The point is that that Mr. Holder had nothing to do with this crime. We have no idea why the order was issued. I happen to think he probably did it, but what do I know? Seeing as there were multiple signatures left at the scene, I'm inclined to believe the killer(s) both posed the bodies and staged the crime scene. There is a rumor of a falling out between the two men at some time before the crime. Robert Lindsay is the leader of a sleuthing group that presently has ~230 paid members. In fact, the rumor is that LE simply does not have enough evidence against Mr. X to take the case to court. I will say that Libbys birth mother has also dealt with her loss by turning rageful. The idea that a gag order was issued on this truck is an unconfirmed rumor. Much more on that below. The problem here is that before 5:30 PM, no one knew the girls were missing other than the families and a few friends. I thought there was more to this blog. DELPHI, Ind. Mr. X did not have PIV sex with either girl. An updated sketch for the suspect was released in April of 2019, and no further information about his appearance has been publicly shared. I see on Reddit that they mention you in a negative way, but dont listen to those people! He was searching for the girls. There's verbiage that suggests 1) Source has vendettas against specific individuals and groups; 2) Repeated disclaimers (thou doth protest too much). I must have the wrong name for your POI? The profile was used from 2016 to 2017 on platforms including Snapchat and Instagram and used photos of a known male model, portraying him as being extremely wealthy and owning numerous sports cars. Pretty soon these fucking machines that are dumber than rocks are going to be making all sorts of unappealable decisions about our lives because the capitalists are too greedy to hire a real human to do the job, so they buy a machine instead. The main suspect according to police is a man whose name rhymes with Fat Clown. LE doesnt have much in the way of good, solid evidence against Mr. X. The male model whose photos were used has been identified and is not a person of interest in the case, investigators said. The warrant indicated that an FBI agent said Logans voice is not inconsistent with that of the person in the video.. The two men may have been working at the Tyson plant in Logansport, Indiana and may have been shipped to the sister Tyson plant in Waterloo, Iowa, where they were put up temporarily in motels for months at a time. Indiana police looked into Bruce in connection to the Delphi murders, but no charges have been handed down. Faked to make it look like he could not possibly have committed the crime because he was more devastated than anyone else. We all stumble over our words sometimes. "When asked about the unspent bullet, [Allen] did not have an explanation of why the bullet was found between" the girls' bodies, the probable cause affidavit said. He parked 1,000 feet away from Rons door, almost a quarter mile away. Forgive me if Ive missed this, but whats keeping police from arresting this guy? If so, where and when? You might consider joining us in our private group. The behavior of LE throughout the entirety of this case is, to put it as nicely as possible, questionable, and to state the truth, just plain stupid. Number 5 was told to JM, an excellent local sleuth, and then to us by an Indiana detective who works in Narcotics based on crime scene photos he had seen. You think Im stupid? Also if Kegans not involved, then neither is the father. Allen was taken into custody and booked into the Carroll County Jail in connection with the horrific crime. This has helped me a lot. How about never? The Delphi hiking murders - Abigail Williams and Liberty German I ask this because another theory says they could have gone up the creek to a barn and then they should have dry clothes. One question: I havent seen this anywhere but have the police questioned Mr. X about the murders? This has been misrepresented by doubters as the scanner saying to let Mrs. X into the sealed off area because shes bringing Mr. X his keys. Crime scene photos leaked? : r/LibbyandAbby - reddit And possibly even other rapes and homicides. I wont reveal who I am talking about here though it should be obvious. Hi there, have just come across your work and am interested in joining the private group. Though there was no press conference held on the third anniversary of the murders in February of 2020, investigators said that the case was not cold. I wish I could delete this comment because it made no sense. Investigators believe the man is the killer. It is being said that we are claiming all sorts of odd things about this crime, what happened, and the crime scene. I am sure the person you and Mr. Lindsay are speculating who BG is, is spot on. Mr. X needed the lost his keys excuse to explain how he stayed in that spot for 18 hours. Breathe so we can comment in between paragraphs pleaser. New Delphi suspect sketch released on 4/22/19. I am thinking that maybe which ever one was pregnant may not have known. Possibly works with kids. I think the girls met up with BG somewhere on that trail before they got onto the bridge. The problem with this is that a searcher claims he searched the area where the girls were found the night of 2-13 and not only were the girls not there but none of the props were there either. Twice in the the Evansdale Murders, LE thought they were certain that they had the right man. A brief clip of the man walking towards the girls on the Monon High Bridge Trail was released too. Since Libby and Abby were young, and the perpetrator is between 18 and 40, according to the statistics would that indicate a possible attempt to thwart the investigation? Im also sure that its used as a tactic to convince the public that they were completely justified in making whatever decisions they felt required justification. Not sure if its Tennessee, or Texas? Because no debt or grudge or anything can ever justify 2 little girls being murdered. Robert Lindsay, Independent Journalist: l Talk about Things You're Not Supposed to Talk About. Summer months. Busy location with a diner nearby. Photo shows daughter of arrested Delphi Bridge suspect in SAME spot I think this whole crime scene was severely compromised but still doable Also theres only one way for LE to know that BG filmed his crime if the rumors about sending video of the crime to the girls phones afterwards is true. Feel free to post about any unsolved case you think is interesting, high profile preferred. I have to say that I noticed a lot of CSI activity at a location far from that bank. Innocent people are hurt and killed in these cases, but theyre not really high profile and we dont have time to mess with this epidemic. These are mostly hate sites. We have 250 members in our group. which has been viewed more than 18,000 times. We believe that the running away and months of therapy were also staged. In other words, they were faked. I like some of these guys. What do you all think?" A series of events where one girl screamed and then was quickly hit on the head with a blunt object, which we believe is a gun butt. They all go off and do their own work. If it's real, it's very sad, but it's likely people grasping at straws. Robert Lindsay isnt just one guy. 6) He has a family member thats buried in the cemetery near the Monon Bridge. Corn fields? "You have this unspent shell casing near the victims' bodies, but you also have things that are really troubling to me: [The girls] are in one place and their clothes are in another. Interestingly, I had NO idea who you were (sorry). Maybe. It has those wooden, beaded seat covers. Can you explain to me how LE would know that BG filmed his crime if he didnt send that crime footage to the girls phones? I find it very hard to believe either of the girls were targeted by anyone-everything about this case screams random attack by a killer who knew the most likely location to find female victims he could easily overpower. X. The casing from the .40 caliber gun still remains within the creek. Dont pay any attention to that.. Was he set up to take the fall? Shock value towards anyone who finds the bodies and perverted pleasure seem like they can be intertwined. Im not sure if its better that way or not. There are cases like this all over the country. Thats actually how I was pointed to you because apparently, I copied from you (YouTube actually deleted these comments too ). 2 people did the actual murders and a woman behind the initial plan. Delphi murders: What the unsealed documents reveal and the questions A few people were claiming it was Abby leaned against a tree with her face covered in blood, claw marks on the ground, and a pool of blood a few feet away. Indiana State Police's analysis of Allen's gun "determined the unspent round located within two feet" of one of the victims "had been cycled through Richard M. Allen's Sig Sauer Model P226," the probable cause affidavit said. Why say you have crime scene photos if you're not intending to share them? Another document we have is another search warrant, this time for the Maxwell property. Homeless for a period in the 2000s, where he resided at a homeless shelter. They are within the video. It is interesting that they are looking for precisely 43 seconds of audio. Missing for 2 years at the age of 5 and reported 2 years later out of Manchester, NH. Anyway, LE believes that Bridge Guy is Mr. X. Theyre not looking at anyone else. There are many cases of homicides or attempted homicides in the same category. For five years, the murders of 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German have hung over Delphi, ghosts that couldn't be put to rest. Hey, its a capitalist country, right? I tend to think its a doll. The sketch of the younger man is the catfish of the 19 year old boy used to lure in Libby from Snapchat. Yes, they would be looking for it, because if you know computers etc. Ive used that a thousand times, especially when there are two or more suspects in adjacent interrogation rooms. Education history: Primary and junior high unknown. 8) He drives an older model Ford Ranger type of truck. These guys are mostly narcissists and they dont believe in cooperation. Libby was apparently enthralled by this profile, Cain said. He is described as a white male aged between 16 and 40 years old, between 5 6 and 5 10 in height and weighing between 180 and 200 pounds. Photo Page - Delphi Homicides - Truth Tellers 3) This man is a *heavy* smoker and a functioning alcoholic. 'I kill 8-year-old April Marie Tinsley. I appreciate the poster (killingvector) who put up the imgur pics, but I honestly couldnt make heads or tails out of them. However, he was one of the searchers who found the bodies, and he was also known to have searched the area in the dark the previous evening. She wanted to meet up with him. Good question and we have no answer to it. Specifically, we are getting much of the the following information straight from the cops themselves. Does he say where he thinks they were found, if not 50ft from the water? But that would mean that Becky Patty would have to say that she called the wife. Haunting new details in Delphi murders including bullet 'tying Richard . I've seen that a few times. Allen's lead defense attorney Brad Rozzi did not respond to a request for comment and fellow attorney Andrew Baldwin declined to comment. I have one more message for you. Professor at a local university, known for the Geocaching Theory. It was all over by 3:30 sure takes a lot of the heat off of LE for calling off that search, amirite? Any context? Richard Allen, 50, was charged with the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, in Delphi, Ind., in February 2017. Twice they were wrong. Besides being psycho. I hope someday this horrendous crime will be solved. We can look into any case we want! Can you email me with her name, please? 3 You dont have to join. Occupation: Handicrafter making wooden signs. Tough shit. Something to think about. Unless he made them undress -- which I guess is possible -- was there some other weapon used?". At 8:20 PM, the police scanner said that A., Mr. Xs wife, was coming to bring Mr. X a spare set of keys. Same with Evansdale probably too. In all four instances, people arrived at their conclusions independently of the other party. 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That is because we got these statements either directly from LE, official case documents, or the same conclusions reached independently by two different sources (for this to be false, both sources would have had to make up the exact same lie), or from direct statements from one of the girls guardians. You are an obviously intelligent person and have made many good points. Found an interesting article regarding the act of stating and posing bodies. The LE source below is an LE sources close to the Delphi Murders investigation. The FBI has released a description for the suspect, which is that he is a white male between 5'6" and 5'8" tall. While it's unclear if police did go to gun stores, Garrett think it's unlikely because there was no mention of a gun in the case until the probable cause document was released Tuesday. If he is a poser, which is the worst of the worst, and he has a transport company, that gives him carte blanche to move around in committing more crimes of this nature in different parts of the country as he travels. Id rather not look into the NHI* (no humans involved) cases in the ghetto where one group of scumbags shoots up some other group of scumbags. BG threw toilet cleaner over the girls and every object at the crime scene, thereby eliminating most if not all of the usable DNA. He ran off for s copy for us and sent it to us in the mail. Police say they ruled Eldridge out as a suspect, and that he did not match an updated sketch of the suspect. There was a helicopter/drone photoset going around in a FB group in the last few days (don't remember which group). You do a great job! Is Mr X part of any of the local groups working on promoting the trail system? R/LibbyandAbby does allow rumors and speculations, so at least they get some good posts and posters, while the overall mood is still a downer. Thats what we want to talk to him about when our investigators go out there again. David, the person involved in the leaked text messages, claimed that the girls died from stabbing. I want to be respectful to someone who is innocent until proven guilty also. Lets call this the intuitive hunch of an MI veteran. One seems to be PNB and the other is RRB. Garrett said he doesn't understand why it took police so many years to match an unspent round from the crime scene to a gun owned by a man who lives in Delphi. Frequently hunted deer on Rons land. Both of these people were probably ragers before, so its not like they did a U-turn. I doubt it. There is no way he would come back later to stage anything because he wouldnt know how safe it was or how many law enforcement would be around. He took a piece of jewelry from Libby as a trophy thats also buried. How do I do this? By that I mean that he probably has offended many times but being transient affords one the luxury of not getting caught. There are some absolutely fascinating old rumors on there that I have never heard before, mostly having to do with Young BG and his possible presence or involvement at the crime scene. Closeup of the 'fanny pack'. Well have a conversation about it, hell say, you know, Its such a tragedy, and well say were sorry for the families and all of them. When I was young I would take off till late evening, and it was ok. Dad is BG and KAK is waiting under the bridge. Knives. He had those white see through covers that cover the bottom of the home to the ground, theyre placed to separate the spacing in between the home and the ground. But no arrests have ever been made with several promising leads or theories arising over the years, only to go cold. A massive search party was convened that night and the girls' bodies were found the next day, next to a creek. Neither Brittany nor Kathy is suspected of having any connection to the killings, and there's no suggestion either woman knew of Allen's alleged links to the murders. I am a retired Detective Chief previously responsible for the Criminal Investigation Department and all of the 80 plus detectives within as well as a senior investigative officer with experience of leading murder enquiries. Neither Kegan nor Tony Kline can be placed at the bridge on that day or on any other day for that matter. Article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15568704. Miller lived two hours from Delphi at the time of his arrest. Wait so the part about him recording the crime is some search warrant given to someone where the cops wanted to check media files? Cop: Come on, man, we know you did it. There is no proof that the bodies are posed but the speculation of what it could mean if they were posed is worth discussion. You cannot keep your own story straight. 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Why dont you do a show on our theories. Unverified but Likely. Can we prove it? However, this early searching meant that he could use his lost my keys excuse as a reason why his car just happened to be parked for 18 straight hours soon after the crime and right above where the girls were found because he could say the next day that he lost them during the previous evenings search. You write an article saying some guys not involved, and you get swamped with threats to track and hunt you down? Theres only one parent. Williams was a little quieter but open with her friends and hoping to go into . High Robert, Because it doesnt matter whether I think hes guilty or not. Thats because he was competition. Reminiscent of a small hatchet, not a typical knife. Aaron Keller May 17th, 2022, 8:19 pm. Finally, after five long years, the Indiana State Police has charged a 50-year-old local man with the Delphi murders of two teenage best friends, Libby German and Abby Williams. They wanted the crime scene to appear like something it wasn't, which could hypothetically include posing the bodies. The roommate also said he suspected Mr. X of the Evansdale Murders because during the time of the Evansdale Murders, Mr. X and the roommate were both over in Evansdale being put up in hotels for months while they worked on a plant there. Exactly how the girls died remains unknown to the public, and the state their bodies were discovered in also remains shrouded in mystery. Delphi murders: Crime Scene| Press Conference Update| Bodies Posed We know he had binoculars with him and he told the girls that he was a railroad policeman who had spotted them with binoculars. If others want to dig around and find out who he is, thats their business. What makes even less sense to me are some of the things that they have said or at least have not challenged as not being factual. Otherwise why do we have religions? It is on the girls cellphones, but if you listen to it, you will just hear a bunch of unintelligible garble. The Delphi Murders: Four years later Libby & Abby's killer is still out there. Bottom line is the quality of our sources has increased dramatically over time. I doubt if its important. He thinks it is Garrett Kirts. Not sure of the significance here. Plenty of time to get numbers, etc. But alas, he raped one lass too many, and the law closed in on him holed up in his home, which now resembled Dodge City. . However, smudged prints are of very dubious value. Where his truck was parked was a five minute walk to the crime scene. Hey I wanted to see what you think on Kirts now with the time thats passed, and lot more evidence published out there (mainly the Open Secrets YouTube channel interviews with Kirts & CM)..& Ed Bounds YouTube channel Crime PursuitBoth have incredible detail with Kirts himself seriously all but admitting to being the Delphi suspect. No one has to believe me when I say LE has a main suspect, but there are number of suspects that ought to be put to rest. Holder has an alibi that he was working out at a gym at the time. How do they know he sent audio/video to one of the girls phones? Im not familiar with Indiana; Ive never been there. It says they are looking for photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, film, etc. The girl survived, and Chadwell is currently serving a 90-year sentence for the attack. Stay tuned. Instant person of interest. Kline is being held in jail after being arrested on separate child porn charges in 2020. People are saying that we have a copy of the gag order that was issued on the towing of the truck at the CPS building. Problem is they only have nine markers on that partial sample. Delphi Murders - Bodys Posed - LifeUnited BG was dressed in clothes similar to what Ron wore, and he took the girls to Rons land and killed them there. The probable cause affidavit did reveal that clothes belonging to the girls were found in a creek south of where their bodies were discovered. Delphi Murders Transcripts: Suspect Said He Knew Libby German Was at Then come email me and I will send you a link to the private group and a password to get you in. Because that is a deer kit around his waist. Hes in prison where he belongs. And sickeningly, the murderer 'staged' the girls' bodies in a particular way after killing them, although it remains unclear exactly how he did this. Police cleared nations as a suspect. Find these clothes, they will be what solves this! By the way, whats a legitimate journalist? Whats a illegitimate journalist? Theres no such thing as either. This person is externalizing their pain into rage and projecting it outwards at the world. Only thing I can come up with if we go with the rumors is that he draped them with the sheet that had the smiley face on it perhaps? So Mr. X was more traumatized by this crime than anyone else, including the victims grandmother who was hurt more than anyone. Ive never heard about all these details this is crazy.